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Hi all,

Just bought a little used Sondors, pictured below here in Phoenix.

Thanks to info found in this forum, I'm in the process of upgrading it to a road machine equipped with 750W motor, 7-speeds (21-speeds eventually?), 52V and Maxxis Hookworm tires.

Thanks to all those who post the great 'how-to' articles.

Martin
In the far northwest of the Valley of the Sun

 

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Hi Martin,

nice to have you on the forum! If you encounter problems feel free to reach ask. 

Great looking bike, don't forget to secure it properly!

 

Andi

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Hi Martin,

Forget the Hookworms, their small diameter will  only reduce your top speed. My favorite tires to date are the Vee Tire Mission Command II’s and I ride 95% pavement.  I’m using the low rolling resistant, fast rolling center section,  MC II 26 X 4.0 on the front (quicker steering) and the 26 X 4.7 on the rear with a universal tread.  I’m  on my 3rd rear to the original front and just passed 11,000 miles with only 2 flats. 

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https://shop.veetireco.com/product-p/missioncommand-n-26x4.7.htm

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     Reddy 

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Thanks for your advice, Reddy. I have been following your postings with interest.

Any ideas how the Vees deal with goat head thorns?

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We have a plethora of them here in PHX.
One of the things that drew me to the Hookworm tires was their reported ability to resist punctures from these.


 

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Martin, Tribulus Terrestris. They’re  along my routes too but I try and avoid those highly infested areas, whenever another even longer route is  possible. I have a lot of experience with them. I once (tried) to ride the CapRock Canyon Trailway Challenge, near Quitaque Texas (a converted to Rails to Trails, (Ft Worth & Denver) rail line between Estaline and South Plains, Texas , passing thru three Texas counties). https://tpwd.texas.gov/state-parks/caprock-canyons/trailway

 

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I had flown my Grumman Light Aircraft, with my Camping Cannondale H400, to the vicinity, landing at a Agricultural Sprayers airstrip, in his cotton field, then riding to camp at the, “Best Kept Secret in Texas”, the Caprock Canyon State Park (Ride with the Bison) and then ride the Challange rally. We were warned to Slime our tubes, in the event flyers and I did, but wasn't prepaired for the onslaught. In the first 100 yards I had about 100 goatheads. I got off the bike and walked it back to pavement. Never flatted but the prospects for completing the very long distance challenge were dismal and tooooo challenging. I spent an hour picking the remaining goat head spines outta my tires with a multi-tool then enjoying my camping trip in the park. 

The 72 tpi Vee Tire Mission Commands are more thorn resistant than the more supple, folding, 120 tpi versions (shop for them at Vee Rubber’s web site https://shop.veetireco.com/Default.asp  ). But the secret to Goat Head resistance is sealant. I’ve switched to Trucker Co    https://www.amazon.com/TruckerCo-Performance-Cream-Tubeless-Sealant/dp/B01MZIL6KS/ref=asc_df_B01MZIL6KS/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312111916046&hvpos=1o2&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16620467516428482180&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=t&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1026339&hvtargid=pla-570407061255&psc=1   and I find it works superior to Slime or Stan’s. The second recommendation against goathead thorn flats is tire inspection. GoatHead spines  that are left in the tire carcass, will keep puncturing the original hole in the tube and the sealant. I’ve found it easy to detect a hidden goathead, below the tire surface because a small, greasy, wet spot developes on the tire’s surface. Sometimes, but not always, I’ll find a spine, hiding below. Last recommendation is to carry a re-sealant sealed tube and this Luna compressor on your bike.  https://lunacycle.com/luna-e-pump/  I’m a fitness rider but don’t get my workouts with a frame pump. ))

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I carry a complete complement of tools in the left side Pannier pouch and spare tubes in the right. My Luna ePump is in the seat bag. 

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     Reddy 

 

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Hello Martin. We're in the Valley of the Sun out by the Superstitions, having fun with a couple of original fatties. One of them similar to yours. We ride mostly off road, probably 90/10, trails/road, so quite familiar with goat head thorns.

 I use generous amount of Slime, as well as liners, and so far have not had a flat. Yet. That being said I hope I haven't jinx myself.

I've got a buddy of mine who lives on the west side that just picked up a Thin. Maybe we'll get over there to go riding sometime. 

Enjoy your bike, you're going to love it!

Oh....... and watch out for Cholla as well! OUCH!

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Hello rckound,

Thanks for the info.  Slime and liners are on my list.

My biking is all on the streets and bike paths with local road bike guys. They do up to 100 mile rides, so I'm upgrading my Original to accomplish that mission. Got the Hookworms on today. They make the bike like like a low rider. 

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I do like to get out back, but have a dune buggy and Jeep JL for that purpose. Got the latter stuck on the back way to Crown King the other week. Had to take the dune buggy in to rescue it. 

Already enjoying the bike. Makes one feel a bit like superman, it gets to 20 mph so fast.

Arriving tomorrow are the next steps starting with an upgraded 52V battery

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https://electrobikeworld.com/products/l3-52v-20ah-panasonic-triangle-battery

 

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35amp 48-52v KT Controller

 

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KT-LCD8H USB Color Display

 

 

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Thumb Throttle Sondors 6 pin HIGO plug

Installed already are 

 

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Bafang 48V750W rear fat bike motor with 175mm open size

 

 

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SHIMANO Tourney 7Spd 14-28T Freewheel

 

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SunRace Shimano Compatible Index Hanger Plate with Nut and Bolt

 

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Shimano Acera Mountain Bike Rear Derailleur

 

 

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Shimano Altus M311 7/8s 48x38x28 170mm Chainset 2016 with chain guard.

Will post some picts when I have the whole project completed.

 

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Nothing like jumping right in head first Martin!

I'm thinking about doing a 3 speed conversion on one of mine but still trying to decide if it's worth it for me or not. My buddy with the Thin says that he hardly ever changes gears, but he's similar to you in that he rides mostly long rides just on the street. We're in an area with a little bit of hills around us, so I imagine I'll do it at some point.

We've got a JKUR ourselves with a Thule rack for the Sondors to go with us.  Any chance you do any Geocaching? Between the Jeep and the bikes, you can go just about anywhere on land.

Good luck with the build. I'll keep an eye out for your updates.

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Lots of hills back on Vancouver Island, where we return to each spring. And here in Phoenix the guys I used to ride with are hitting 20 mph on non-electric road bikes. So I'd like to be able to keep up with them.

What kind of Tule did you end up with? There is one for sale locally. See the pict below.

Geocaching sounds like fun. I found references to some up Crown King way.

Martin

 

 

 

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Ours is a platform/hitch style. The bikes are heavy enough, then you add some accessories and the weight starts to really add up. Not sure how comfortable I'd be just having them suspended with straps and bouncing around on the back of the JK. Trying to think of the other times I've seen pics of Sondors on the back of a vehicle, and just about every time they're on a platform type rack of some type. Just something to think about.

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And if your buddies are pedaling at 25, you could dial to five and just barely turn the pedals and you'll keep up with them. Sometimes I love to go fast as the bike will go, but pedal as slow as I possibly can, just to keep the motor going. Love the looks I get from people like, how can he go that fast pedaling that slow.

Nice with the bigger battery though, that will give you so much more extended range. And then with the gears, you'll be lapping those guys!

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